Browsers: FireFox

started by Joe Gillespie on Oct 14, 2004 — RSS Feed

Joe Gillespie Joe Gillespie
Posts: 528

I see that FireFox has achieved over four and a half million downloads since the Spread FireFox campaign started last month.

If you have recently downloaded FireFox, please share your experiences - good, bad or whatever.

Baxter Baxter
Posts: 157

I don't want to hate IE. With a 75-95% market share (depending on who you ask), I want to like it, and I want it to be good.

Unfortunately, MS hasn't seen fit to update it in any significant way since 2001. After all this time, there's still no support for so many basic things - things that were in place way back in 2001. PNG support and fixed positioning support are two big ones for me. After all this time, they should be in there.

So, I can use IE, a browser that lacked support for several key things years ago, and grows more obsolete by the day, or I can use a smaller, faster browser that does a good job of supporting pretty much everything IE does and a whole lot more.

Add in tabbed browsing, which I couldn't live without, and the choice is obvious.

Although I should mention Safari is actually my primary browser, given a choice. When I'm at work, stuck on Windows, Firefox is the browser to use.

Mattman Mattman
Posts: 9

Considering how 'lite' Firefox is supposed to be, it's still slower at rendering than IE. Apart from that, I like it.

Studiophi Studiophi
Posts: 1

I've been using Firefox since it was Phoenix, which was before it was Firebird. : I like using Sage for my rss feeds, and I also like the googlebar.  All I can say is that I wouldn't have been using Firefox for so long if I didn't prefer it to IE.

Alanat Alanat
Posts: 8

I don't like the default theme in Firefox and some of the others are either too wacky or don't work on an iMac. For some reason, the FireFox default theme shown in the themes window is not what I'm getting. Anybody know why?

Mccavity Mccavity
Posts: 3

I'm new to Firefox and it seems fine after a few days use. Main advantage to me on my 5 year old machine is the ability to open multiple windows. Open 3+ in IE and things start to go wrong. It also showed up some problems in the css only pages I've been messing with but that's another story...

Joe Gillespie Joe Gillespie
Posts: 528

Get the Web Developer Toolbar for FireFox from

http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/download/

which is a 'must' for all web designers.

Teche Teche
Posts: 7

Fire fox has some great features but...There egos are insanely ridiculous. They preach on and on and on... About w3org standers and cross comparability as a goal. But there browser implants things differently than ie two basic examples that im getting visual problems with browsing the web 1 is handling absolute div positioning they differ about 10 or so more pixel placement then ie. 2 is handling font sizes just a little different if you take 2 screen shots in ie and Firefox and compare them in Photoshop the font sizes and position are just a bit different. Plus the fact that over the years! trying to get any help on there forums, you are treaded as an ignorant moron instead of answering questions they ramble on about why ie sucks. They also make lots of false promises about there security features, etc., saying your totally protected is stupid threes no such thing. Im not trying to make this a mozilla bashing post. They have got there feature system down but there not living up to there promises of cross comparability.

Fells good to get some of these things of my chest ;D




Bryan Baxley
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Im always aware my grammar sucks im working on it  :

Joe Gillespie Joe Gillespie
Posts: 528

The Web is not an exact science and the more browsers you try, the more differences you will find. The big difference between Firefox/Mozilla and IE is that if there is something wrong in Firefox, it gets fixed quickly by the open source programmers. IE6 has the same old bugs after two years or more and there's no sign of any fixes - except the many security ones.

Mr_brightside Mr_brightside
Posts: 3

I have a number of high-quality animated gifs on a site, that I'm trying to optimize (don't worry, they're not annoying). I notice that they run significantly better on firefox than ie. Can anyone tell me why that is?

Also if you can tell me how to make the gifs run better on ie (I'm already pre-loading them), it would be GREATLY appreciated. Thank You.

Joe Gillespie Joe Gillespie
Posts: 528

mr_brightside said:
I have a number of high-quality animated gifs on a site, that I'm trying to optimize (don't worry, they're not annoying). I notice that they run significantly better on firefox than ie. Can anyone tell me why that is?

Firefox is more efficient. IE is an old (in Web terms) program.


Also if you can tell me how to make the gifs run better on ie (I'm already pre-loading them), it would be GREATLY appreciated. Thank You.

There's not much you can do about IE, it does what it does and most people are content because they don't know any better.

Kestrel Kestrel
Posts: 3

Teche said:
Fire fox has some great features but...There egos are insanely ridiculous. They preach on and on and on... About w3org standers and cross comparability as a goal. But there browser implants things differently than ie two basic examples that im getting visual problems with browsing the web 1 is handling absolute div positioning they differ about 10 or so more pixel placement then ie.


Your post actually contains the reasons why Firefox differs from IE. It is because it follows the W3C specs more closely than IE. 9 times out of 10 a page looks 'odd' in Firefox because the code was designed solely for IE, and actually contains errors IE has covered up.

IE has two modes - Strict and Quirks mode. In Quirks mode, boxes (divs) are created wrongly. It goes against the W3C specs. So Microsoft added Strict mode that shows boxes correctly. But bugs in IE can throw it back into Quirks mode. (Just add a line on the first line of your HTML file above the Doctype to do this!)

People are now realising that Firefox (and Opera) display pages "right". They follow the W3C specs to the letter. Now those people are designing for Firefox first, and patching their code for IE. It is a lot easier to work this way.

I'm not saying Firefox gets things perfect. But the list of small-but-annoying IE layout bugs is very long, and growing all the time. It would be OK if they were fixing these bugs, but they are not. Yet Firefox bugs are constantly being worked on, and will one day be solved. So for once the hype and egos are justified.

David David
Posts: 40

I'm sure MS will have come up with a new IE release soon, at the rate Firefox is being adopted. One thing you have to be careful of with some free software developers, though, is that they're quick to preach about MS's shortcomings when trying to cover up their own. I'm not saying this applies to the firefox team, but it's something to be wary of.

Laurianne Olcott Laurianne Olcott
Posts: 1

Mattman said:
Considering how 'lite' Firefox is supposed to be, it's still slower at rendering than IE. Apart from that, I like it.


I haven't noticed any slowness between the two, but I love Firefox. I do a lot of developing and feel I can rely on firebug and their debugging tools. I love the add-ons available as well.

although IE7 and Firefox2 still render some screens differently, but I'm still learning all that and the get-arounds....

Sam Desouza Sam Desouza
Posts: 14

Internet Explorer 6 has finally been surpassed by Firefox according to the latest worldwide market share numbers. Details inside here:- http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/11/october-2009-browser-stats-firefox-finally-passes-ie6.ars


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