http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/browsers/fonts__why_not_embed/ A Browsers forum thread at WPDFD.com en-us 05/28/04, 149 20 2004 2004:%i:1085790034 20:20:34 06/06/13, 157 06 2013 2013:%i:1370574417 23:06:57 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss NineLabs Framework Feed Generator sitemaster@wpdfd.com sitemaster@wpdfd.com http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/browsers/fonts__why_not_embed/#p969
When there was only IE and NN there was the technology to embed fonts into web pages fairly easily but then when NN got the gecko engine it stopped supporting it. So now the only browser supporting embedded fonts is IE (and NN4.x)!

Why don't other browsers support it - especially mozilla (and new navigator and firefox), IE-Mac, Safari? I think Opera supports it the same as IE.

Ok now  as IE has a big lead on the browser usage stats, why don't more people embed fonts for IE use only?
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So, not only does it bump up the bandwidth, it has this nasty refresh effect. Much as I would like to use other fonts, that certainly put me off using it.

Having said that, there are a lot more fonts that could be used than the usual Arial, Times, Verdana, Georgia, Helvetica. Modern versions of Windows and Mac OSX come with hundreds of fonts that can be used fairly safely.

I have an article planned for the near future that suggest some 'new' sets that are available with close alternatives on Mac and PC. You will still have to tag the old ones onto the end of the list for backwards compatibility.]]> 05/29/04, 150 48 2004 2004:%i:1085816889 03:48:09 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/browsers/fonts__why_not_embed/#p970 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/browsers/fonts__why_not_embed/#p971 05/29/04, 150 57 2004 2004:%i:1085831828 07:57:08 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/browsers/fonts__why_not_embed/#p971 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/browsers/fonts__why_not_embed/#p972 05/29/04, 150 27 2004 2004:%i:1085866078 17:27:58 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/browsers/fonts__why_not_embed/#p972 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/browsers/fonts__why_not_embed/#p973
I'll be looking forward to your new list then Joe!

And lloking forward to a standard and better font embedding technology!

When (if?) SVG eventually gets full support, I think i read fonts can be embedded in there too!]]> 06/01/04, 153 41 2004 2004:%i:1086133295 19:41:35 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/browsers/fonts__why_not_embed/#p973 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/browsers/fonts__why_not_embed/#p974
SVG has not set the World on fire because Flash is already there and does much the same thing. You can argue about the benefits of SVG all day but  market acceptance has nothing to do with any of them. Sadly, we live in a World where, most of the time, common sense does not prevail.
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But like you said, this is not a common sense world!]]> 06/07/04, 159 58 2004 2004:%i:1086609531 07:58:51 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/browsers/fonts__why_not_embed/#p975 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/browsers/fonts__why_not_embed/#p976 http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dynatext/

Stewart Rosenberger discusses his method of "Dynamic Text Replacement" using javascript and PHP. Worth a look, anyway. There are several pages of discussion about it, also.]]> 07/25/04, 207 29 2004 2004:%i:1090798199 19:29:59 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/browsers/fonts__why_not_embed/#p976 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/browsers/fonts__why_not_embed/#p977
It actually works better with pixel fonts than it does with anti-aliased fonts because OpenType's anti-aliasing is very poor and with pixel fonts, you don't need anti-aliasing.

Even under ideal internet weather conditions, it still slows page load times and the chances of things going wrong are magnified considerably. I wouldn't use it on a regular Web page.]]> 07/26/04, 208 01 2004 2004:%i:1090828866 04:01:06 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/browsers/fonts__why_not_embed/#p977 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/browsers/fonts__why_not_embed/#p978 kam said:
For a new take on a sort of font embedding, I came across this yesterday at A List Apart, from 15 June 2004:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dynatext/
Wow, the javascript approach looks particularily "exciting".

If you do this with PHP you'll want to increase the maximum amount of memory any particular page is allowed to consume...]]> 07/26/04, 208 55 2004 2004:%i:1090875315 16:55:15 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/browsers/fonts__why_not_embed/#p978