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Valid borderless frameset impossible ? | WPDFD.com Forums http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/markup/valid_borderless_frameset_impossible_/ A Markup forum thread at WPDFD.com en-us 11/11/04, 316 57 2004 2004:%i:1100167043 04:57:23 06/07/13, 158 25 2013 2013:%i:1370582748 01:25:48 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss NineLabs Framework Feed Generator sitemaster@wpdfd.com sitemaster@wpdfd.com Joe Gillespie said: http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/markup/valid_borderless_frameset_impossible_/#p1531
I am trying to make a borderless frameset that is legal HTML 4.01 (see http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/frames.html#h-16.2.1) - that seems impossible, since the FRAMEBORDER="0" FRAMESPACING="0" BORDER="0" are not allowed...

Tried styling my way out of the problem but so far without any luck.

Any ideas or suggestions ?

--Zajnee

Edit: It should render correctly in both IE and Mozilla

]]> 11/11/04, 316 57 2004 2004:%i:1100167043 04:57:23 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/markup/valid_borderless_frameset_impossible_/#p1531 Joe Gillespie said: http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/markup/valid_borderless_frameset_impossible_/#p1532 Zajnee said:
Hi,

I am trying to make a borderless frameset that is legal HTML 4.01 (see http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/frames.html#h-16.2.1) - that seems impossible, since the FRAMEBORDER="0" FRAMESPACING="0" BORDER="0" are not allowed...

Tried styling my way out of the problem but so far without any luck.

Any ideas or suggestions ?

--Zajnee

Edit: It should render correctly in both IE and Mozilla

I did this in BBEDit and it validates fine.


<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Frameset//EN"
        "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/frameset.dtd">
<html lang="en">
<head>
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
      <title>Untitled</title>
</head>
<frameset>
<frame src="index.htm" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" scrolling="auto" frameborder="0">
</frameset>
</html>

However, frames are generally frowned upon these days. There are very few good reasons to use frames that can't be done better with CSS.]]> 11/11/04, 316 50 2004 2004:%i:1100177457 07:50:57 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/markup/valid_borderless_frameset_impossible_/#p1532 Joe Gillespie said: http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/markup/valid_borderless_frameset_impossible_/#p1533
Thank you for a quick reply, but I did not do a good job explaining what I am after... so I uploaded a demonstration of my problem

http://www.dansknetdesign.dk/liste_frame.html

All valid HTML and therefore with a white line between the frames... this one is NOT valid :

http://www.dansknetdesign.dk/liste_frame2.html

...but it renders perfectly - sigh !

And I do have a good reason for wanting to use frames : I will preload some pages in hidden frames (frames with 0 height) and thereby be able to show them instantly when the user requests them (and preload another page in the frame they left...)

I'll send you a link to a demonstration, once I have one ready - valid HTML or not.

--Zajnee]]> 11/11/04, 316 24 2004 2004:%i:1100179472 08:24:32 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/markup/valid_borderless_frameset_impossible_/#p1533 Baxter said: http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/markup/valid_borderless_frameset_impossible_/#p1534 frameset {border:0}

That should do it.

But here's the better way to do it: Preload the content into hidden divs, then change the visibility to visible (or or display to block, as the case may be) on click. Let's say your blocks are called div1, div2 and div3. In the style sheet, you'll have something like:
#div1, #div2, #div3 {display:none;}

then, down in the code, you'd have some kind of actuator that onclick would set div1 to display:block

whatever link, image or whatever controls the display, add this:
onclick="document.getElementById('div1').style.display = 'block'"

Notice that one says div1... you would need to change appropriately.]]> 11/11/04, 316 39 2004 2004:%i:1100183981 09:39:41 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/markup/valid_borderless_frameset_impossible_/#p1534 Joe Gillespie said: http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/markup/valid_borderless_frameset_impossible_/#p1535
I tried it... it's at http://www.dansknetdesign.dk/liste_frame3.html as you can see there is no change - I think I tried that alreay, but I tried so many things I started forgetting what I have tried

I just added
<style>frameset {border:15 px;} </style>
in the header - that is what you meant, right ?

About using DIV's instead of FRAMES, well I would love to, but preloading the NEXT div would be impossible, right ?

Let me explain what i am going for her :

I want to show a list of data - let's say a search result from a search engine. I will show 20 results per page.

If the search returns 276 results I end up with 14 pages.

1. I load the first page (and show it) and preload page 2 and 3.

2. When the user clicks next page I instantly shows page 2 (nothing else happens).

3. When the user clicks next page again I instantly shows page 3 and preloads page 4 in the frame where page 1 was... this is the catch, I don't think I can load contents into a div without submitting the whole page, right ?

I never looked into inline frames... not really sure I like the concept, but that might do it.

--Zajnee

Ps. I am going offline for some hours now (shiver), thanks for some quick replys !]]> 11/11/04, 316 07 2004 2004:%i:1100185645 10:07:25 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/markup/valid_borderless_frameset_impossible_/#p1535 Baxter said: http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/markup/valid_borderless_frameset_impossible_/#p1536 <style type="text/css">
frameset {border:0;
/* just for fun, throw in: */
margin:0;
}
</style>

You want no border, so why put 15px?

" About using DIV's instead of FRAMES, well I would love to, but preloading the NEXT div would be impossible, right ? "

It's going to load regardless of whether it's shown or not.]]> 11/11/04, 316 36 2004 2004:%i:1100198161 13:36:01 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/markup/valid_borderless_frameset_impossible_/#p1536 Patrick Steve said: http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/markup/valid_borderless_frameset_impossible_/#p2718 06/12/09, 163 10 2009 2009:%i:1244783431 01:10:31 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/markup/valid_borderless_frameset_impossible_/#p2718