http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/ A Web Design Software forum thread at WPDFD.com en-us 01/08/04, 008 49 2004 2004:%i:1073591354 14:49:14 06/07/13, 158 21 2013 2013:%i:1370578901 00:21:41 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss NineLabs Framework Feed Generator sitemaster@wpdfd.com sitemaster@wpdfd.com http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p220
We throw Photoshop, Flash and Illustrator at them in the first semester. Then we introduce Fireworks in the second. Many students quickly glean a fondness for FW and express their admiration for it. Several have said that if they could afford only one graphic software, it would be FW.

This student realization (and fondness) comes after they have been exposed to Photoshop, Illustrator and even Flash. They are impressed with FW.

I must agree. Maybe you do too. FW is both a vector and bitmap program with many of the features of both Photoshop and Illustrator. So what do all of you prefer?

Against all that's been said above, what is FW to all of you?
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I would guess the advantage is the learning curve is not as steep as Photoshop. Photoshop is still my preferred software for retouching, filters, etc. It now has strong vector capabilities. Illustrator is my preferred vector software, hardly use Freehand. Flash is for more complexed animation, usually RIAs or large files. Dreamweaver is entirely a different animal and use it for layout.  ]]> 01/30/04, 030 59 2004 2004:%i:1075481989 11:59:49 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p222 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p223
I think that the student's opinion of a program has a lot to do with who is teaching the program, how they are teaching it, and what particular skills they are teaching.

For example, My Fireworks instructor was not that skilled, nor was he teaching in an exciting manner. My Photoshop instructor was an advaced artist, and was able to teach the basics of the program through exciting tutorials that focused on the basics at first then progressed to more difficult things after, but always keeping my attention. Because of this I found photoshop easier to learn and use.

Having said all that, Photoshop is still my most used program, but I do use Fireworks as well (only not as much).  ]]> 02/07/04, 038 24 2004 2004:%i:1076131460 00:24:20 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p223 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p224
For great Fireworks tutorials, btw, Linda Rathgeber has some great stuff out there:

http://www.playingwithfire.com/book.html

along with a great demonstration of photomontage techniques at the Project Seven website:

http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/fw/p_montage/index.htm

I've also found the Lynda.com CD-ROMs (not free, but a good value) very helpful.

OTOH, my father uses a completely different set of tools--Photoshop and Painter, with spectacular results:

http://www.hitthosekeys.com/len/]]> 02/07/04, 038 43 2004 2004:%i:1076172221 11:43:41 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p224 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p225 02/16/04, 047 56 2004 2004:%i:1076950577 11:56:17 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p225 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p226
Like Brady, I learned Photoshop from an artist, while the instructor which taught me Fireworks, was a network engineer.

I believe that Fireworks is the best for optimization, quick rollover buttons, slicing, etc., but I always use photoshop for all of the eye candy.  ;D]]> 02/19/04, 050 36 2004 2004:%i:1077222976 15:36:16 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p226 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p227 ]]> 02/28/04, 059 29 2004 2004:%i:1077996593 14:29:53 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p227 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p228
If you build web sites with a WYSIWYG editor such as Dreamweaver, then Fireworks makes a bunch of sense. Why? Because it integrates extremely well with Dreamweaver and saves both time and money in the process. Slicing and dicing, button production and rollovers is a beautiful process with Fireworks. Yes, you can manipulate photos with Fireworks, but that's not our reason to purchase Fireworks. The reason is other than all the above.

Let's look at this issue from another point of view: If you had enough money to purchase only ONE graphic program, one that could handle both print and web graphics, what would you buy?

Fireworks?
Photoshop?
ImageReady?
Illustrator?]]> 02/28/04, 059 37 2004 2004:%i:1078000655 15:37:35 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p228 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p229 04/21/04, 112 39 2004 2004:%i:1082594346 20:39:06 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p229 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p230
Teaching Photoshop and Dreamweaver togther doesn't make sense, especially now that Adobe Creative Suite is such a comprehensive group of software.

To forestall the inevitable barrage of posts claiming that "GoLive writes terrible code compared to Dreamweaver"... well, I've heard that over & over, with no one ever supplying any hard evidence to support the claim. Designers who use both programs usually say there's very little difference between them, that it's really a matter of what program you've already got & what you're familiar with.

Any other Photoshop/GoLive users out there willing to step forward?]]> 10/17/04, 291 52 2004 2004:%i:1098046374 16:52:54 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p230 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p231
Sadly, GoLive has not kept up with modern Web standards and when it comes to the all CSS pages that I now do, GoLive can just not handle them in Layout mode. Source mode is okay and Preview works but Layout is just not up to scratch.

Dreamweaver's Layout mode is a bit more accurate - but still not good enough. I've been using BBEdit for the last 18 months.

As far as their respective code generation goes, both do a reasonable job of HTML and generate very poor, inefficient and impossible to edit JavaScript.

I think that GoLive is much better than DW for basic level CSS support but when it gets to a certain level, falls flat on its face. GoLive struggles with XHTML and doesn't get closing tags right. Its syntax checker accepts stuff that W3C doesn't - that's bad and leads to a false sense of security.

If you really care about your craft, you won't use either. If you just want to get the job out - ya pays yer money and takes yer choice!
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I am a rank beginner to web design but I am reading everything I can get my hands on & looking for good design forums (like this one) to learn from experienced designers. I am fast learning that I really need to learn XHTML & CSS and not to rely upon wysiwyg. (I am already becoming somewhat frustrated by GoLive's quirks.)

So what's a good HTML editor for windows?

Thanks again for taking time to educate a newbie!    
]]> 10/20/04, 294 35 2004 2004:%i:1098246906 00:35:06 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p232 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p233 So what's a good HTML editor for windows?

I think that the HomeSite/TopStyle combination is pretty good on Windows but there are lots of others. There's nothing to stop you from using GoLive or Dreamweaver in 'source' mode if you already have them. It's the layout modes that let them both down more than anything.]]> 10/20/04, 294 41 2004 2004:%i:1098254481 02:41:21 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p233 http://www.wpdfd.com/forums/wpdfd/web_design_software/killer_graphics_software_fireworksdo_you_agree/#p234 Aidrice said:

So what's a good HTML editor for windows?



Well NVu is pretty good for html, its based on the Mozilla editor, the only quip i have is it doesn't enable manual css editing, just auto type. So you'll have to use another text/edit program for that. Which isn't a big problem...

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